Village of Chittenango, New York

Planning Board Meeting

October 2, 2017


Present:  Bob Salmon, Scott Pellman, Bob Lake, Joyce Newkirk, Andy Jones, Karl Anderson, Jeff Geer, Rick Bartell, Counsel Bell, Jill Doss


Chairman Salmon called the meeting to order at 7:01 p.m.


Rick Bartell – Burger King Renovation/Remodel

Rick Bartell appeared before the Board this evening to discuss the planned upgrades to the existing Burger King in the Village.  The plan is to remove the greenhouse portion of the building, remove the existing landscaped area at the front, remove the wrought iron fence, and the existing outdoor seating, upgrade the planting at the back near the drive through area, change the side entrance to a front entrance, remove door on drive-through side, replace and upgrade the siding on the outside of the building with new colors of rust and tan/beige that is noted as the Garden Grill design by Burger King, a redesign of the dumpster area, new paving of the lot, repair/upgrade of the drainage structures in the parking area, parking spaces will provided that are ADA compliant,  all items to be ADA compliant.    There will be brick and a new product board neechiwah (sp).  There is a facility similar to this design in North Syracuse.  The building will have the same footprint, with the exception of the greenhouse area.  There are LED lights proposed for the outside which will be “up/down” lighting and will not spill onto neighboring properties, this lighting will light up the red border at the top the building.  The exterior signage that is proposed per Mr. Bartell is 89 square feet; currently the signage is 86 square feet.  A long discussion took place in regard to the signage.  The Board reviewed the Code relative to the signage.  Mr. Bartell said that the plan was to place signage on the front and side of the building, the Burger King logo and wording below the side logo.   Counsel Bell stated the Code Officer should review signage for conformity with the Code.  She also stated that if Burger King wasn’t going to use all the signage that that information should be noted correctly on the site plan that the Board reviews.  If Burger King intends to use the signs as noted this evening, it would most likely require an application for variance before the Zoning Board of Appeals, based on the review done by the Codes Officer.   The Board also reviewed the free-standing sign which includes a logo sign and a message board sign.  Mr. Bartell stated that the free standing would probably go down in size from what is currently in place.  Once again, this would be reviewed by the Codes Officer.  The Board discussed the placement of the attached signs.  In briefly reviewing the Code, at first glance, it appears that two signs (a couple of variations of combinations are noted in the Code) that one attached sign would be allowed for each road frontage.  The signage being proposed is one on the front (which is a road frontage) and two on the side (which is not road frontage).  Mr. Bartell stated he would check back with the architect and Burger King about the proposed placement of signs and submit an amended plan.  Counsel Bell also noted that a short for SEQR would be needed to be submitted for the site plan as well as this information will need to be submitted to Madison County Planning.  The Board spoke about the lighting for the site.  The Board stated a lighting plan would also need to be provided to ensure that there will be no light spillage from the planned lighting as there is a dark sky compliance rule in place.  The Board asked if the bushes on the McDonald Street side of the property were going to be addressed as they were quite overgrown and unruly.  Mr. Bartell will check the area, and if they are their property will take steps to trim and clean the bushes up.  He also mentioned that the pine trees near the current drive through area will also be trimmed and cleaned up.  No directional signs are planned.  Counsel Bell reiterated that the Code Officer will review the information and give a specific opinion of what is allowed for the signage; whether it is square footage or number of signs and whether they will need to go before the Zoning Board of Appeals.  The Board emphasized that the signage needs to be accurately defined and that what is on the plans is accurate as that is what the County Planning Board will be reviewing as well as the Village Planning Board.    Mr. Bartell said that the newly configured facility will have slightly less seating, with 52 seats provided.  Mr. Bartell was asked to correct the drawings to show exactly what is planned, provide the SEQR short form, provide the lighting plan for the review and get that information to the Secretary as quickly as possible so that it can be submitted to the County for their review.  Counsel Bell stated that a coordinated review can be done with the ZBA if Mr. Bartell chooses to apply for all the signs.    The Secretary was instructed, when the revised plans and other information is received from Mr. Bartell to submit to Madison County Planning Board and also to the Village Engineer, Barton & Loguidice. 


Auto Parts Store

Nothing has been submitted to date.


Land Use Activity Chart

The Secretary spoke to the group in regard to a review that Mayor Keville requested for the Land Use Activity Chart.  The Mayor has requested that representatives from Planning, Zoning and Village Board meet to review the Chart.  A joint meeting date of October 16, 2017 has been set.  The meeting will follow the Zoning Board regular meeting on that evening.


Next meeting

Chairman Salmon reported he won’t be available for November 6, which would be the next regular meeting.  The Board discussed optional dates.  The Board agreed that the next meeting will be held on November 1, 2017 at 7 p.m.



The Board members reviewed the minutes of September 5, 2017.  Upon the motion made by Andy Jones, seconded by Scott Pellman, minutes of September 5, 2017 approved as written.  All members present voting in favor.


With no further business, meeting adjourned at 8:30 p.m. upon the motion made by Scott Pellman, seconded by Joyce Newkirk.  All members present voting in favor.


Respectfully submitted,




Jill A. Doss

Secretary to PB




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